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I’ve stopped worrying about killing the vector and started killing the pathogen.

08 Monday Apr 2024

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The story starts years ago when I noticed that the bees flew with more enthusiasm and worked harder in the days following a varroa mite treatment (oxalic acid vaporization). I asked others if they too saw this behavior change. Some said they never took notice; others said it was obvious. Years later I measured the coming and going on the landing board using one of those click counters. It was true; the bees were energized after a treatment. But I didn’t have the answer as to why. Last summer I spoke to someone more knowledgeable than I in entomology and he used the analogy, “Have you ever noticed how good a dog feels the day after a flea dip?” A great reply that satisfied me for awhile. But I thought, putting a dent in a 3% mite load (not even eliminating the mites) couldn’t increase the entire colony’s enthusiasm as evidenced with the increase in activity on the landing board. Could it? Or was something else going on? But I’m getting ahead of myself.

Back in 2021, I started doing some research and learned that the EPA first approved oxalic acid (OA) in 1957 as a disinfectant in bathrooms and septic systems among other uses. It’s still used today in cleaning solutions for industry food production machines, not to mention good old Bar Keeper’s Friend. If you’re not sure of the definition of disinfectant look it up. It’s different than sanitizer, cleaner, or antibacterial. So, is OA also acting in that manner in the hive? Is it giving the internal surfaces of the hive and the bees a chemical scrubbing? Am I killing bacteria and viruses as well as mites? I didn’t know but I wanted to try a few things.

Over two years ago (January 2022) I started treating my bee hives routinely with OA vapor. That’s “routine schedule” as meaning a set date each month to treat on my calendar. Similar to you taking an antibiotic on a routine schedule, or a medicine for a chronic condition like hypertension, diabetes, or reflux. Consider it an IPM treatment for treating mites and accompaning viruses. Also included in my goals were to 1) decrease the number of yearly OA treatments and 2) reduce the likelihood of resistance to OA. But simply put, all I was actually doing was going to be changing one aspect of treatment – the dosing schedule from one that targeted the mites’ reproductive schedule, to one that disinfected the colony’s environment regularly. Of course, any varroa mites killed would be a value-added outcome.

That year I did not suffer any colony losses during the spring, and I made more honey than usual. However, I did have some colony failures (~ 10%), as is typical, after the nectar flow during our dearth period. Multiple stressors (SHB, harvest, and climbing mite to bee ratios) take their toll during this period as the mite load climbs, increasing the viral load. I intervened with a single series of OA treatments and the losses stopped, leading me to believe the stressor most critical is mite/viral load. After completing the single series of treatments, I resumed my scheduled monthly treatments as before and had no winter losses. After the first year, I tried to make sense of that year’s interventions and outcomes and develop a plan for next year.

In January 2023, I continued my routine treatment schedule and, as experienced the previous year, I had no losses during the nectar flow. But this year I decided to make a change to the dosing schedule during the post nectar flow time period. I changed to a once every two-week treatment schedule (actually on the 1st and 15th) and continued this schedule until fall – so that would be twice monthly treatments June – October. This added about 5 additional treatments to the year which pushed me to the edge on my goal to limit the number of treatments per year. In November, I resumed the routine monthly schedule. This scheduling model resulted in no colony losses in the spring, fall, summer, or winter of 2023. My honey production was about 65 lbs. per hive which is about 50% higher than expected in the SC Midlands. Keeping bees healthy during the nectar flow keeps them working harder rather than our current method of allowing the bees’ health to decline over the season and often collapse just prior to treatment salvation.

All this brings me to this year (2024). So far, I have not sustained any mite/virus related losses. Coming out of winter I saw the occasional weak colony, needing a new queen, or help with SHBs. But my hives built up quickly in the pre-season. I just did my accounting for taxes and used less sugar last year having left more honey due to their productivity (and my reluctance to pay for sugar). My point is they are healthy and handling stressors.

Recently I spent some time researching organic acids as disinfectants, antimicrobials, etc. There are some studies on this with viruses. Yes, organic acids can be antivirals. It is dose and pH dependent to some extent. OA is around 2 on the pH scale so it’s potent. But there are some unidentified factors as well. For instance, acetic acid sometimes is more effective with certain viruses than acids with lower pH. So, the reason organic acids (and which) kill viruses still is somewhat a mystery.

Why is this interesting? First, because it shouldn’t be working. One would think my colonies would be mite ridden and failing. This OA dosing schedule should be allowing the mites too much freedom to reproduce. However, I haven’t seen a case of deformed wing in years and my skewering of drone pupae shows me the mites are under control. Second, because varroa mite levels are out of the treatment consideration loop, I no longer concern myself with watching my bees become increasingly ill before tipping this season’s / year’s suggested EIL level. Third, I could care less even if my mite levels were high. In fact, I would be happy to find they were as it would confirm what I’m doing is working by a mechanism other than killing mites. Fourth, I’m exposing my bees to the same or less OA than I would if I was using currently acceptable OA vapor treatment schedules. Fifth, I’m allowing more time between treatments which lessens the possibility of miticide or antiviral resistance. Sixth, after seeing many new beekeepers struggle with the myriads of options for mite assessment, the complexity of understanding mite counts during different seasons, and the best choice of miticide for each time of year and temperature, what a gift it would be to simplify this process. Seventh, my bees stay healthy and productive all year. Gone is the yo-yo of cleaning them up only to let them fall to approaching colony collapse before a lifesaving series of treatments. That yo-yo isn’t healthy living. We don’t allow diabetics to go into diabetic coma before treating them nor do we allow HIV patients to live with high viral loads. No, we manage these illnesses rather than wait for a crisis to develop. We should keep in mind that our colonies don’t die from the mites they die from high viral loads.

How is this working? My supposition is that I am killing viruses (or a subset of the many virus types) directly, thus bypassing the need for vector (mite) control. Another possibility is I am interrupting the relationship between the virus and the mite – to the mite’s detriment. But to be honest, I don’t know. It could be something entirely different that I haven’t considered. I’ll continue the effort and will start to compile the research and data I have collected.

This honey season is off to a great start. All supers are already deployed and I’m wondering how I’m going to deal with keeping the bees with enough space now that they’ve gone gangbusters. Cheers!

Brief Update 7/20/2025: I’m just back from my state beekeepers assocation’s summer conference. The talk of mites always triggers some guilt that I have not updated this blog entry in some time. So, the effort continues. I have tried to maintained routine monthly treatments although there was some disruption during a personal health event. The success of healthy bees continues with minimal losses. It is rewarding to have a near perfect survival rate in the midst of record national losses in the US. I don’t get to as many conferences as I used to but with those I have shared this effort with, the idea that there is a possibility that I am simply keeping the viral threshold below the point of illness development. Randy Oliver wrote some time back that at a certain mite count within a colony they enter tipping point after which they are doomed to colony failure. I think this is a valid explanation – that the viral threshold is possibly being held in check. By a little or a lot is unknown. If you have ideas let me know. larrycoble@bellsouth.net

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Varroa Mite Treatments

05 Tuesday Dec 2017

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I’m out in the bee yard vaporizing oxalic within the hives to kill Varroa mites today. Oxalic Acid is harsh on humans and I think it probably isn’t exactly kind to honey bees either although they seem to live on the acid side of the ph scale. I’m reminded though, as I vaporize the oxalic acid within each hive, of a time my son Danny had a nasty wart on his foot. We had tried everything, night after night, to remove it. Finally Danny agreed to go to a podiatrist . He thought it was going to be cut off and he was good with that. Instead the doctor applied a strong acid for a couple hours. Over the course of the next week or so it was basically blistered and burned in appearance. We felt badly for Danny but he was okay with it. He wanted it off. Anyway, applying oxalic acid to the bees kind of reminds me of the same. I hope they appreciate the mite removal.

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ProVap110 Oxalic Acid Sublimator by sassafrasbeefarm

26 Sunday Feb 2017

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Product Review:

For Varroa mite control, I sprung for a ProVap110 this year. I put it through the paces this week and thought I’d report on it here.

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Disclaimer first: Yes, Larry of OxaVap is a friend of mine. We met at a South Carolina Beekeepers Association conference several years ago and hit it off talking bees non stop for the duration of the conference. This was all before oxalic acid was approved for use in the United States. Larry told me then it would be the next big deal in Varroa mite control and apparently he was right as it was approved a couple years later. (Larry also told me where U.S. beekeepers were already ordering vaporizers from across the border in Canada.) Anyway, Larry and I always look forward to conferences and hanging out, telling bee stories when we can.

Before getting the ProVap110 I was using two Varrox, pan type ,vaporizers. Using two really sped up my mite treatments. Duh, twice as fast, right? No, don’t ask me how but everything moved faster and down time between hives was less so I really think I was doing the job in less than half the time than with one.

Recently, Larry suggested I needed to try the ProVap110 but I was resistant due to the issue of needing AC current. He said that most inexpensive car/truck inverters would do the job as it only used 250 watts and 2.2 amps. I checked and Harbor Freight had an inexpensive inverter. But I really wanted to be able to treat without having to drive my truck into sometimes muddy out yards. Larry assured me that a long extension cord run would not be a problem but I resisted and bought a small WEN 1800watt generator. I do plan on buying that inverter as well but the WEN1800w is under 50 pounds and, so far, I really like it and don’t have to worry about getting my truck stuck in a muddy out yard field while vaporizing mites.

One morning this week I oxalic acid vaporized 32 hives in about an hour and 15 minutes. As with the old Varrox, you still have the setup time of placing IPM boards under screened bottom boards to help seal the hive as well as a damp dishcloth across the entrance. I left the WEN1800w generator in the back of my truck and used a 50 ft extension cord. The extension cord had no noticeable effect on the operation as the ProVap performed exactly as the enclosed paperwork stated it would. I will use a 100 ft extension next time to see if that has any effect. The ProVap110 took about 2 to 3 minutes to reach its operating temperature of 230C. The unit adjusts to maintain that temperature throughout its use. I’ll place a link to a video in this post for those who have not seen how it operates. Basically, after it reaches its operating temperature a measured amount of OA is placed in a cup and attached to the ProVap110 while inverted. The nozzle is inserted into a 1/4″ predrilled hole in the hive body and the unit is spun around to its upright position causing the OA to drop into the 230C pan. The temperature readout dropped to approximately 208C when the OA came in contact with the heating unit and immediately began its rise back to 230C. Within about 20 seconds the temperature had returned to 230C and I removed the unit from the hive. An additional “cup” is provided so the user can prepare the dose for the next hive during the 20 second wait. And so it goes hopscotching down the row of hives.

Some things I learned are: 1) Hole placement is more critical than I first expected. I had used a homemade template based on the instruction sheet and some of the holes were drilled into handholds which caused me to have to hold the unit in place instead of leaving it to prep the next dose. The instructions say drill the hole 3 to 4 inches up from the bottom . I will drill future holes below the handholds in the lower box – if you use cleats drill well below. You want the vapors to circulate readily once inside the hive so make the hole in that area where the frames are narrow (lower half) to allow for the bees to move around the frame. 2) The tube that sends the vapor into the hive is copper and about 3/4″ in length. That makes sense since it is going into a hive body with a thickness of 3/4″. Longer and it could bottom out on a frame inside. Unrelated to the tube length but I’d like the tube to be made of a harder metal than copper if possible – I am uncomfortable with the possibility of bending the copper tubing. 3) You will need an acid/vapor PPE mask as you will be in close proximity of the OA vapor. There is no getting around this. I currently use a 3M 7502 mask with organic vapor/ acid gas filters – $13.99 on Ebay, and non vented safety goggles – $7.99 Ebay. The mask worked great and I never even got a whiff while standing behind the hive administering the OA vapor. (more on this later)

Some of the nice things about the unit are: 1) Its speed. I usually just stood there behind the hive for 20 seconds and let it do its thing. 2) The plume of vapor into the hive is thick and sudden. The bees don’t have the “warning time” they did with pan type vaporizers to start fanning. Bang, it’s in there and done. Most of the hives didn’t object any more than they did with the pan vaporizer but a couple did. All hives settled down soon afterwards. 3) The almost constant 230C temperature ensures the OA is properly sublimated. I always suspected the gradual warming of the OA with the pan vaporizers may have wasted some of the OA as it was evaporated, boiled off, or was otherwise consumed instead of sublimated thus diminishing the dose. The ProVap110 ensures the OA always hits the pan at exactly 230C. 4) I often lose my biggest and strongest hives over the winter. I’ve always suspected it might be related to inadequate OA treatment reaching the upper boxes. Now I can treat the hive via a 1/4″ hole placed anywhere, in any box, instead of just underneath the hive. And don’t worry about drilling 1/4″ holes in your woodenware, the bees will propolize it soon enough or you can use a golf tee or dowel rod to plug. 5) It would be nice to have a half dozen of the “caps.” to prepare in advance. It’s not essential; that’s just my OCD speaking.

General comments: Most efficient use would necessitate a planned layout of the hives in the bee yard. If you scatter your hives around here and there you’ll waste time in transit. I have basically three different zones in my home yard. This meant driving the truck to three different positions and repositioning the drop cord each time. I think keeping your hives within a 100 foot radius and using a 100 foot drop cord might be ideal. Having plenty of IPM boards available is also a great time saver as transferring them hive to hive is a time waster. Luckily I have plenty to use in case of a severe winter but others may not. The hives with solid bottom boards were easiest to treat.

Now, here’s an interesting thing: The visible escaping particulate using the ProVap110 was noticeably less than when using pan type vaporizers. I can’t really account for why this is other than the bees don’t have the 2 – 4 minutes to start fanning before the deed is done. I actually used the ProVap110 in the first two hives and thought, “Did it work?” So I loaded the ProVap110, held it downwind, and flipped it to see if it was sublimating the OA. Yes, it was working and it’s done in about 20 seconds. If you look at the video, at the end the guy does exactly this and you can see how thick the plume is and how fast it comes out. Anyway, my point is, there appears to be less particulate escaping the hive than with pan vaporizers – and that’s a good thing!

Cleanup is a breeze. A little water to wash out the areas where the OA comes in contact was quick and easy. The unit itself cools off quickly when unplugged which is good and bad. Good for safety once you are done but moving into different bee yard zones meant having to wait the 2 – 3 minutes for the unit to return to operating temperature. I’m convinced I can shave 30 minutes off my first effort implementing some of the changes mentioned above.

I am satisfied with the unit over the pan type vaporizers for a few reasons: time efficiency, proper sublimation, flexibility in selecting placement of the area the OA is administered, and ease of use. I’d recommend it to anyone that starts to feel that pan-type vaporizing is taking too much of their bee management time that could be better spent more productively.

Addendum August 31st, 2017: After having used the ProVap100 for multiple yard treatments I thought I’d comment on a couple items I hedged on in my first review (above). First, use of multiple extension cords makes no noticeable difference in either warm up time or time to sublimate the oxalic acid. I am now using two fifty foot extensions cords and I get the same excellent performance as with one. Second, After having a problem with my gas powered generator I purchased an inexpensive 400 watt inverter at my local Harbor Freight store for ~ $23.00 USD. Using this as my power source the ProVap100 performed again without any degrading of performance. At $23.00 versus what I paid for the gas powered generator I’d opt for the inverter first unless there was an issue with access to the bee yard. Third, Thus far this year I have not lost my biggest hives post nectar flow and during the Varroa buildup as I have in previous years. I am unable to say that positive outcome is a result of the ProVap100 but I suspect it is a contributing factor. I remain very happy with the unit and from emails and messages I have received from people that have also purchased one they are likewise happy with the efficiency and ease of use of this unit.

 

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